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When will Jesus return? |
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2 Thessalonians
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When will Jesus come? Before, during or after the manifestation of the "man of sin"? |
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When will Jesus return? |
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2 Thessalonians
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Mark 13:33 "Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come."(NAS)lockman foundation. No man will know when he comes. Otherwise we could slack off up until the time he comes
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When will Jesus return? |
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2 Thessalonians
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There are many views of Eschatology, the study of the end times. My views, briefly, are this. According to II Thes. there will be a great falling away, then Jesus will come for His own, the rapture. Then the Man of Sin will be revealed and seven years of tribulation will occur. Then Jesus will come back to reign on the earth for 1000 years. That is a nutshell version. |
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WILL A BABY IN THE WOMB GO IN THE RAPTUR |
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2 Thessalonians
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IF LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, AND IT DOSE, WILL THE BABY GO IN THE RAPTURE EVEN THOE IT IS STILL IN THE WOMB? IT HAS NOT YET REACHED THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY. AND IS THEREFORE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT'S SINS. |
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WILL A BABY IN THE WOMB GO IN THE RAPTUR |
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2 Thessalonians
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The rapture teaching started about 118 years ago by a man who wrote a fiction book, his intention was to keep people prepared at all times, but his good intention be came a cereus deception when the churches began to except that teaching as gospel |
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When will Jesus return? |
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2 Thessalonians
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2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 will answer our question |
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WILL A BABY IN THE WOMB GO IN THE RAPTUR |
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2 Thessalonians
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Dear Dan, the 'rapture' has been discussed at length. Click 'Search' on the left and enter the word, it will lead you to several listings. My comment is on the 'age of accountability.' This might answer part of your question. There is no set age for faith. A child born of a Christian parent (hopefully parents) is under the authority and covering of that parent until a time (that God sets) when he becomes responsive and responsible to call upon the name of the Lord. I would suggest that this age changes according to circumstance, society, personal maturity, and foremost, God. Though a little boy of 6 might 'really love Jesus,' I would find it hard to believe that a child of that age was truly responsible for knowing sin and serving the Lord Jesus for the rest of his life. On the other hand, an 18 year old, still unable to battle against the sin in his life, and rebelling against his Christian heritage, is stretching his 'covering.' Though a popular 'Christian' book series and movie portrayed 'empty wombs' and all children as saved and 'taken,' I don't think this is from the Bible. Last I read the Bible, we are born as children of wrath, not blameless. In Christ Jesus. |
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WILL A BABY IN THE WOMB GO IN THE RAPTUR |
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2 Thessalonians
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Really? I don't suppose you could document your answer by supplying us with the title of the book and the name of the author, could you? Or do we have to accept your answer based on faith in Elijah? |
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When will Jesus return? |
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2 Thessalonians
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when the son of perdition is revealed,there must be a falling away before Christ returns. 2 Thess. ch.2 ver.1-4 |
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Where in the Bible do they get the word |
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2 Thessalonians
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Where in the Bible do they get the word rapture from? |
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Where in the Bible do they get the word |
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2 Thessalonians
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The word rapture came down to us from a translation called the Vulgate. It is not a word that is in our English translations. The concept of the rapture is discussed in many different words; we just grouped all of them together and coined the word rapture, as a catchall word to cover them all. The closest that the word rapture comes to in the Greek language of the New Testament, is the word EPISUNAGOGE, it is a compound word EPI, meaning out and SUNAGOGE, a gathering, as an assemble. The word synagogue as used by the Jews is actually a derivative from the later, as a gathering of people. Paul expresses this in II Thessalonians 2:1 where he says: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
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satan and his power?!?!?!?!?!?hmmmmmm... |
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2 Thessalonians
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What's up with satan's power? How much does he have...spiritual battle and all?!? can he enter a Christian, possesion, that is?!? Can he know what you are thinking, get into your heart, etc... I know that he is a fallen angel, but I don't know where in scripture, if at all his powers are identified. Can someone hook me up with some scriptural advice?!?! tanks, y'all. peace |
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satan and his power?!?!?!?!?!?hmmmmmm... |
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2 Thessalonians
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When you give rise to an evil thought Satan takes power over you. And depending on how much Godly strenght you have to overcome, you either work with this thought or conquer it. Many persons resort to praying for God to give them strenght to overcome. Others just dont care an allowed Satan to take over. So Satan has the power that you give him. |
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satan and his power?!?!?!?!?!?hmmmmmm... |
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2 Thessalonians
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What power! 1Corinthians 1:18 "That the preaching of the cross is to them that persh foolish, but unto us who are saved, it is the POWER of God. That lying devil never created anything, so how can he have any power? Jesus made sure of that! Since he has no creation power he can't know your thoughts, only God knows our thoughts, "before we even ask, he knows our request". Your heart is your mind, only God the Holy Spirit can occupy your heart, you can't serve two masters. Have you noticed when the Word is speaking of the devil it refers to him as a deciever, liar, thief, destroyer? the Word caution us to be aware or lookout for the wiles or tricks and schemes of the devil, and how he distorts the true Word of God. If satan can get you to doubt, he has done his job!
Finally brethern, whatsoever is True, Honest, Just, Pure, Lovely, Good Report, IF THERE BE any virtue, IF THERE BE any praise, THINK ON THESE THINGS, Philippians 4:8 We have the mind of Christ
we are Gods People, we are more than conquerors because we KNOW The KING of KINGS and we KNOW that at The NAME OF JESUS, every knee shall and will bow, even that fallen angel. Don't give him no foothold to his thoughts, cast them down.
And you are mucho tanks, bye. God Loves You! |
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What about 2Thess 1:6-10? |
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2 Thess 1:6
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I have read and re-read many articles and books on the rapture and have been suprised to note that the following verses in 2Thess 1 are seldom mentioned:
6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you
7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
Am I wrong or do these verses plainly state that the day the sinners are punished and the day the saints are glorified is the same day?
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What about 2Thess 1:6-10? |
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2 Thess 1:6
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Greetings Katrjohnson!
I think that this passage refers to His second coming, not to the rapture.
This passage refers to a public return, where you correctly noted that the saints will be glorified and the sinners punished. But, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 speaks of an event which occurs prior to His coming.
Your Brother in Christ,
Tim Moran |
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2 Separate Groups or One? |
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2 Thess 1:8
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Question - Does the following verse mention two separate groups of people or one?
It speaks of:
1) "those who do not know God"
2) "those who do not obey the gospel"
Is the first group of "those" unbelievers?
And is the second group of "those" believers who do not obey the gospel?
2 Thessalonians 1:8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. (NASB)
2 Thessalonians 1:8 To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. (AMP) |
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2 Separate Groups or One? |
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2 Thess 1:8
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Greetings New Creature!
Looking at this verse in the context of Paul's letter, we see that this retribution occurs at the Judgment.
Yes, I believe that these are two groups of individuals, but they are both "dead" spiritually. The first group is being judged because they "knew not God." (Check out Romans 1 - no one has an excuse!)
The second group is being judged because they did not obey the Gospel. They rejected Jesus.
Obedience to the Gospel of Jesus is BELIEF! This is love for God: that we obey His commands, and His command is to believe in Jesus (Read 1 John for a thorough discussion of this!)
Believers who do not live lifes that reflect Jesus receive DISCIPLINE from the Lord, not judgment! (Romans 8:1 declares that there is no condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus!)
This is not to excuse carnal living, but should serve as a reminder, that believers will one day stand before Jesus, our Lord and Savior, who suffered death for us, and give a "report" to Him for how we CHOSE to live, either for Him or for ourselves. (2 Cor 5:10)
We are warned to live holy lives so that we will not be ashamed at His coming!(Eph 4:1; 1 Peter 1:15-16; et al)) Can you imagine being engaged in a sinful activity when Jesus' returns? (How about this senario? The trupmet sounds and you are in the middle of a family fued or marital argument! Wouldn't you rather be "caught" living a lifestyle that Jesus exemplified?)
Since we do not know the day or the hour, we should always endeavor to live our lives in such a way that is pleasing to Him! (Sobering, isn't this?!)
Hope this helps! May God bless you as you search His Word!
Mommapbs |
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Antichrist in the bible ? |
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2 Thess 2:1
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Does anyone have any references to the antichrist in the bible ? |
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Antichrist in the bible ? |
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2 Thess 2:1
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2Thessalonians 2:1-4
Revelation 19:19-20
Revelation 13:1-18
Daniel 11:36-45
There are several references throughout Revelation. |
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What is an apostate? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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What is the difference between "apostasy" and "heresy" (see 2 Thess 2:3 NASB)? |
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What is an apostate? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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The apostasy refered to in this passage refers to the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be christians.Hence, apostate. Heresy is the false teachings that leads someone to leave the truth and believe a lie.Warning:beware of the so called doctrines of TV evangelists. The basic message is usually true, but they twist much of the "meat" of the knowledge of God. Also get an amplified bible. It will answer many of your questions before you ask them. |
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What is an apostate? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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"Heresy" is actually a difficult term to nail down. Definitions include:
unbiblical doctrine: this is the broadest definition of heresy
that which denies one of the ecumenical creeds and councils: Nicene Creed, Apostle's Creed, Definition of Chalcedon, etc. A few others may be included, but these are most widely accepted.
anything that has been condemned by the whole church in council: Pelagianism, Donatism, Manicheism, Montanism, Tritheism, Modalism, Gnosticism, etc. Since the church was only united as a single organization for a few centuries, most of these will be pretty old, but most of them are also hardy perennials, like weeds that you can't get rid of (Gnosticism and Pelagianism especially)
Personally, I use "heresy" most frequently to refer to the last two, since there is so much unbiblical doctrine floating around.
"Apostasy" is much easier to define. It is simply turning one's back on God. Thus, only a one-time Christian can be apostate. Pagan's cannot, for they were never in the covenant to begin with. Also, covenant children cannot ever be pagan, only apostate, since they started out inside the covenant.
Hope that helps. |
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What is an apostate? |
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The MacArthur Study Bible includes a "Profile of an Apostate" on page 1987 in the Book of Jude..
Profile of an Apostate
1. Ungodly (Jude 4)
2. Morally perverted (Jude 4)
3. Deny Christ (Jude 4)
4. Defile the flesh (Jude 8)
5. Rebellious (Jude 8)
6. Revile holy angels (Jude 8)
7. Dreamers (Jude 10)
8. Ignorant (Jude 10)
9. Corrupted (Jude 10)
10. Grumblers (Jude 16)
11. Fault finders (Jude 16)
12. Self seeking (Jude 16)
13. Arrogant speakers (Jude 16)
14. Flatterers (Jude 16)
15. Mockers (Jude 18)
16. Cause division (Jude 19)
17. Worldly minded (Jude 19)
18. Without the Spirit (Jude 19)
Enjoy! -Nolan |
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anti-christ revealed before rapture? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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So does this Scripture reveal that the anti-christ must come first before the rapture occurs, our gathering together unto him 2thess2:1??? |
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anti-christ revealed before rapture? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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Greetings A friend of Messiah!
This is a question that I have pondered for awhile..
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 seems to state that the antichrist comes first and is revealed, and then the day of the Lord (the rapture, return of Christ [1 Thess. 4:16-17]) happens sometime afterward. But first, before the 'man of lawlessness' is revealed, the 'restrainer' (2 Thess. 2:7 - in my opinion this is the Holy Spirit) must be 'taken out of the way', so that the antichrist can be revealed. And when the day of the Lord occurs, which is when Jesus Christ returns, He will immediately slay the lawless one with the breath of His mouth. (2 Thess. 2:8)
1 Thess. 4:16-17 seems to indicate that the day of the Lord and the rapture are events that happen together at the same time. If this is so, then I could have been wrong in saying in an earlier post that the 'mark of the beast' happened after the rapture. If the rapture takes place on the day of the Lord, and antichrist is destroyed on the day of the Lord, then we can only assume that everyone goes through this 'tribulation' period, where the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way and antichrist comes to the fore to rule and oppress the Christians. If this is so, then the 'mark of the beast' (Rev. 13:16-18) would take place before the rapture. This will obviously be an intense time of persecution for all Christians, but (if this presupposition is true) there will be a remnant of at least a few Christians, since 1 Thess. 4:16-18 tells us that there will be 'some' Christians that are left that have not already been martyred or killed because of their convictions.
So to 'condense' what I've said so far, here's the supposed chronology..
1) Holy Spirit must 'step aside' for antichrist to be revealed (2 Thess. 2:6-7).
2) Antichrist rules and persecution intensifies (Rev. 13:16-18).
3) The rapture and the day of the Lord occur (1 Thess. 4:16-18).
4) The Lord slays antichrist on the day of the Lord (2 Thess 2:8).
These are just my thoughts, though, and I am open to any suggests or 'correction' here. If you have something to add here that is based upon the Bible, then by all means, let me know. I have not used any other source other than the Bible to come up with the above 'chronology', but I realize that our focus is not on what is going to happen- our focus is on 'being ready' for the Groom's return for His bride, since the Groom will come just like a 'thief in the night'! (1 Thess. 5:2)
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Per 2Thes 2:3 isn't the rapture postrib? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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Does the "it" in this verse refer to the "day of the Lord" spoken of in the previous verse (2), and if so, does "it" also refer then to the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him" in verse 1? And if all of the above ("it" v3, "day" v2 and "coming" v1) are the same event, how can we say that the rapture,"our gathering together to Him", happens before the tribulation, if according to verse 3 the apostasy and the revelation of the man of lawlessness have to happen first? |
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Per 2Thes 2:3 isn't the rapture postrib? |
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2 Thess 2:3
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Dear Glen..Welcome to the Forum :).....
Here is a translation from the NIV that may help...
2TH 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
....I do not take any position on the tribulation debate. I have not studied the issue at all, but the passage does seem to refer to the same event.
God Bless....Jensen |
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The man of lawlesness |
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2 Thess 2:3
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Who is the man of lawlesness? |
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The man of lawlesness |
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Scripture ... Dan 9:26,27, 11:36; Mat 24:15; 1 Jo 2:18-22; Rev 13:6-8
the man of lawlesness is one who is against the Lawgiver and His laws ... "who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God" (vs 4).
Antiochus Epiphanies did this in 169 BC, as well as Gaius Caligula, who put his image up in the Temple. However, we do not know who he is, until he sits in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
Note in verse 7, "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work..." When he comes, he will have power of Satan (vs 9) and some will be deceived (vs 10).
Is he the antichrist ... I think so. There will be one coming who will be bigger than the many have come (1 Jo 2:18-22)
Does this help?,
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