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2 Samuel
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What virtue was David displaying when he expressed a concern about a dwelling place for God? |
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found in 2 Samuel |
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2 Samuel
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In reading 2 Sam.7 my impression is that David wanted to build a house for the Lord out of thankfulness for all that the Lord had done for him and His covenant people. |
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What was David's hidden agenda? |
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2 Samuel
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What was David's hidden agenda in dealing with Uriah the Hittite in 2 Samuel 11:3-17? |
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What was David's hidden agenda? |
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2 Samuel
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In 2 Samuel 11:3-17, David brings Uriah back under the pretense of seeking information about the course of the war (v. 6), and tells him to go home and relax (v. 8). What he does not say specifically is what is most important, and well understood by Uriah (v. 11). David wanted Uriah and Bathsheba to enjoy their evening together (v. 8) to cover David's sin of adultery - this would be the "evidence" that would get David off the hook since Bathsheba was pregnant by David. In v. 13, David made him drunk hoping that in this condition he would relent and go to Bathsheba but Uriah again did not go down to his house. Unsuccessful in making it appear that Uriah was the father of Bathsheba's child, David plotted Uriah's death so he could marry Bathsheba himself as quickly as possible. (v. 15) NASB Study Bible Zondervan. |
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Was David a good father? |
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2 Samuel
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We all know that David was the greatest King (other than Christ) of Israel, but was David a good father? |
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Was David a good father? |
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2 Samuel
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According to the Scriptures your answer is NO, David was not a good father.
Please note the following comments:
David - David is an example of a passive father too hesitant to punish when corrective discipline was needed.
As a shepherd, as servant to King Saul, as a mighty warrier, as man of spiritual depth, and as a king, David stands out in the Old Testament as truly a great man. Nothing should be said to diminish his statue in our eyes. However, the Bible does not hide his sins of weakness, as in the case of Bathsheba (2 Samuel Chapters 11 and 12).
Second Samuel Chapter 13 reveals David as one who failed to take needed action toward a disobedient son, and it cost him and the nation of Israel dearly. As you recall, when Amnon, David's son, raped his half sister Tamar, he not only violated a command of God, but he violated the person of a woman, and brought shame on the household.
David's response to Anon's sin is stated in a single sentence: "Now when king David heard of all these matters, he was very angry" (2 Samuel 13:21). He was angry with the actions of his son, but what did he do about the matter? What punishment did he exact on Amnon for such a shameful deed against one of David's own daughters? NOTHING, as far as the Scriptures reveal.
His lack of appropriate discipline prompted Absalom, Tamar's brother, to begin a plan for the execution of Amnon that took two years to develop. When Absalom killed Amnon, David and his other sons wept bitterly (2 Samuel 13:36).
David's lack of bold action toward his children is also revealed in yet another place. When David was old and Solomon was about to be made King, one of David's sons named Adonijah rose up in rebellion against his father and sought to become king (1 Kings 5). Adonijah was disobedient to his father in part because his father had never crossed him at any time by asking, "why have you done so?" (1 Kings 1;6).
David had never challenged Adonijah in any way about his son's plans or actions. Is it any wonder that such a son would rise up in rebellion against God and man to try to usurp the throne? For his rebellion, Adonijah was spared for a while, but after David's death, he was killed by the command of Solomon for an apparent covert effort to gain authority (1 Kings 2:13-25).
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Was David a good father? |
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Thank you, Mike! That was a very thorough and accurate rendition of 2 Samuel, exactly the study that I had been through!
I agree with you. David was not a good father to begin with, as evidenced in the examples that you have pointed out.
However, I am convinced that David saw his shortcomings in the role of "fatherhood", and made one last attempt to correct this area of his life when he gave his young son Solomon advice on ruling the kingdom (who his adversaries would be, who would pose a problem for him, and who he could trust) in 1 Kings 2:1-9. In this passage, we see David giving his young son some much needed advice! And Solomon carried out his father's advice (1 Kings 2:19-46), thus consolidating and solidifying his rule over Israel (1 Kings 2:46). So David may have not began as a great father, but I believe that wisdom showed this to him and he made an attempt to make up for this with Solomon in 1 Kings chapter 2.
Great study userdoe213!
Nolan |
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murder ok for david but not others why ? |
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How is it okay for David to have people executed for a crime, even murder when David was so close to God. Shouldn't he have shown him some mercy? |
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murder ok for david but not others why ? |
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2 Samuel
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Drummer, Welcome to the forum.
Is it murder to execute someone for a crime? No, that is justice. We all deserve death because we are sinners, however some are granted mercy (Rom 3:23, 6:23).
David did have men excuted for a crime (2 Sam 4:12) and even gave orders to have Uraih killed (11:14). The latter was no okay, the first was justice.
He even showed mercy to Mephibosheth (9:6). He gave orders not to kill Absalom (18:12).
If there is another specific verse please cite it.
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murder ok for david but not others why ? |
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2 Samuel
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Different Opinion ................................
Drummer, I also would like to welcome you to the forum. One of the great things about this forum is that there are many people here with different ideas. Through sharing them we are able to get a more complete picture of many important concepts. For instance, although Steve and I agree on most things, we have different perspectives on this issue.
This concept that you have brought up is one that has been brought up before. I would encourage you to use the search box at the top right of the screen to find many posts dealing with capital punishment. To start you might want to search for "old new fundamental". This will take you to a post of mine that talks about what was different about King David's time and today. |
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murder ok for david but not others why ? |
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Hello Drummer!
David was not exempt from this sin of murder any more than anyone else was. God simply chose to punish David with different circumstances than to punish him with immediate death (which was required by the law). Sure, the Lord could have put David to death, but that couldn't happen because of God's promise to David and his kingdom. (2 Sam. 7:16)
However, we can read of what happened to Amnon, Tamar, Absalom, and Adonijah; all of whom were David's direct descendants. God chose to punish David by pronouncing this judgment upon him (2 Sam. 12:10-12). And by enduring this punishment, we can see that this was in many ways more painful to endure for David than his own immediate death. (2 Sam. 18:33)
Blessings to you,
Nolan |
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chapter 7 they have a vision |
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what kind of vision are they talking about |
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chapter 7 they have a vision |
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momrcc, welcome to the forum.
This is probably a dream, based on verse 4-it was at night.
Is this what you were looking for,
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how did God use davids sins of adultery |
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how did God use davids sins of adultery and numbering the people to futher his purposes? |
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how did God use davids sins of adultery |
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Greetings! God used David's sins to give us a great lesson. That even great men who were as respected as David fall short of the glory of God. But He also showed us that when we ask for forgiveness we will be forgiven although that does not mean that we will not have to suffer the consequesnces of sin like David and Bathsheba did when they lost their first child. prayon
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memories and forgiveness |
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I understand forgiveness in two senses --one of judicial forgiveness whereby my
sins are forgiven once and for all through the blood of Jesus on the cross and my salvation is assured. The other as parental forgiveness whereby I can continually receive forgiveness by coming to the Lord in repetance. Matt6:14-15 tells us we are to forgive or we won't be forgiven. My question is in forgiveness it seems the memory of our sins does not alway go away, does that mean we haven't been truly repentive or forgive? Or is it a reminder like Paul's thorn in the flesh so that we won't be apt to do the same sin again or to be reminded that God's grace is sufficent? |
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memories and forgiveness |
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rmhall,
Even when our sin is forgiven we may still suffer the temporal if not the eternal consequences of the sin. See the result of David's sin in killing Uriah to cover up his sin with Batheseba in 2 Samuel 12 and especially in verses 9-14.
9: Why have you despised the word of the LORD, to do what is evil in his sight? You have smitten Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and have taken his wife to be your wife, and have slain him with the sword of the Ammonites.
10: Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.'
11: Thus says the LORD, "Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
12: For you did it secretly; but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun."
13: David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD." And Nathan said to David, "The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
14: Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the LORD, the child that is born to you shall die."
The temporal pain emotional or physical we suffer may serve as a reminder of an even greater spiritual loss we could suffer due to unrepented sin and be an incentive to avoid that sin in the future. Not to mention being a form of penance we must endure.
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Was Jonadab a good friend for David? |
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Was Jonadab a good friend for David? |
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Was Jonadab a good friend for Amnon? |
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Was Jonadab a good friend for David? |
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Was Jonadab a good friend for David? |
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Scripture ... 2 Samuel 13:3-5, 32-35 ...
dyanld, greetings
Jonadab was not a good anything for David, in his complicity with Amnon in his rape of Tamar (2Sa 13:3-5). He may of good when he comforted David upon the death of Amnon (32-35). Verse 32 says Jonadab was David's nephew.
Hope this answers your question, Searcher |
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Was Jonadab a good friend for Amnon? |
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Scripure ... 2 Samuel 13:3-5, 32-35 ...
2 Samuel 13:3 says Amnon had a friend whose name was Jonadab. His part of the rape of Tamar (vv 3-5) may be what some friends do. But, it was not spiritually wise. Verses 32-35 says he comforted David when his friend died. |
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Who killed Saul? |
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2 Sam 1:10
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Did Saul kill himself (1 Sam. 31) or was he killed by another (2 Sam. 1:10)? If he was killed by another, was that person Saul's armor bearer (1 Sam. 31) or someone Saul did not know (2 Sam. 1:7-8)?
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Who killed Saul? |
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2 Sam 1:10
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Saul committed suicide rather than be killed by the Philistines. 2 Samuel 1:3-4 states that Saul was "leaning on his spear" which tells us that he di indeed kill himself. Saul asked the Amalekite to stand over him and kill him because death was long in coming and he didn't want the Philistines to find him alive. The Amalekite did as Saul asked and then told David that he had killed Saul. |
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Who killed Saul? |
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2 Sam 1:10
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Prayon, thank you for your response!
However, I believe that the Amalekite's story in 2 Sam. 1:6-10 is a fabrication. He apparently sought recognition or reward for claiming to have killed Saul (who I believe committed suicide as you have already stated [1 Sam. 31:4]). As a mercenary or looter, the Amalekite came across Saul's body and took the king's crown and bracelet to substantiate his fabrication. And he surely paid for it! (2 Sam. 1:13-16)
The Amalekite is a foreigner (2 Sam. 1:13), and Saul committed suicide for this very reason (1 Sam. 31:4) so that the "uncircumcised" would not 'make sport' of him. His armor bearer was too afraid to kill him, and ended up killing himself as well. So this rules out the possibility of the armor bearer and the Amalekite being the same person.
Blessings!
Nolan |
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Who killed Saul? |
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2 Sam 1:10
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Prayon, 1Sa 31:4 says Saul killed himself. Then in verse 5 says his armor-bearer killed himself.
The Amalekite is telling a story in 2Sa 1:6-10. He may of claimed to of killed Saul, with hope of getting a reward. He was close enough to get the crown and armband (vs 10). Instead of a reward, he was executed (vv 15-16).
Note that David was battling the Amalekites (2Sa 30) just before or at the same time as Saul was in battle with the Phillistines.
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Was it okay for David to have many wifes |
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2 Sam 5:13
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David was a man after God's heart. Yet he had many wife's and concubines (2 sam 5;13). Jesus in Matt 19 stated in so many words that God's intention in the begining was one woman for one man. |
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Was it okay for David to have many wifes |
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2 Sam 5:13
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Shermanj, Just because he did it makes it okay. David was a man after God's own heart (1Sa 13:14). But, he did wrong. The many women were part of his problem, as well as his children. Steve |
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Why did God kill Uzzah? |
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2 Sam 6:6
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Why would God kill Uzzah when he tried to stop the Ark from tipping over? |
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Why did God kill Uzzah? |
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2 Sam 6:6
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Hello Rose. The question isn't so much why God killed Uzzah but why was it necessary that Uzzah suffer the consequences for his actions? God had commanded that the only persons that may touch the Ark of the Covenant were the Levites. He also warned that anyone else who touched it must die. It seems harsh that, concerned that the Ark might fall over and be damaged, that Uzzah should die because he reached out to steady it. Because God is soveriegn, He demands unquestioning obedience. He doesn't permit us the priviledge of the opportunity to question Him why His decrees must be so strictly obeyed . . . indeed He is angered if we seek to question Him (read Job and how God was upset that Job would question why he was so afflicted). Just like you, King David couldn't undestand this either. God is loving, kind and just; some can't reconcile that He could mete out such harsh consequences for disobedience. That which happened to Uzzah was written that we might understand God's character. Read Mark 16:16. when Jesus said that we who believe and are baptized will be saved, He wants us to remember Uzzah. The second part of Mark 16:16 points out the consequences if we don't obey God. I hope this helps . . . Dave. |
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Why did God kill Uzzah? |
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2 Sam 6:6
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The inverse of this question is why didn't God kill those who broke his command and had the ark carried by oxen instead of the men who were assigned the task.
In this passage, although God exercises judgement on the sin of Uzzah, it must be clearly noted that he exercised grace concerning the sins of the others present. "...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23) Unfortunately many find themselves trapped into thinking that the Old Testament teaches judgement, and the New Testament teaches grace. This is an example of grace from the Old Testament. |
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